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Sgt Raymond
127 days ago
Gen Amos Sir- and Honorable Mr. President Barrack Obama I stand by your rightful decisions to allow women in combat and to get rid of that dispicable Dont Ask Dont Tell. The majority of you bloggers or whatever you call yourselves are nothing but retired, judgemental, unknowledgable and hateful people. Assume all you want what a womans effect in combat will be, but no this that none of you would be here on this Earth if a woman had not brought you here. Why dont you all stay wherever you are and wait because all these "what ifs" will be shut up and shut down and be replaced with "FACT" once a womans role in combat is known to the world.
As for the retired MSgt above and all others like him, grow up. No one chooses to be Gay or a Lesbian (or even to be called that) those who are strong enough to be happy with whomever they fall in love with deserve it. No human should be kicked out an organization they love because of who they love just because people like you think they are wrong. You are not God your opinion does not matter. Live your life and let others live theirs.
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Sgt Raymond
127 days ago
Gen Amos Sir- and Honorable Mr. President Barrack Obama I stand by your rightful decisions to allow women in combat and to get rid of that dispicable Dont Ask Dont Tell. The majority of you bloggers or whatever you call yourselves are nothing but retired, judgemental, unknowledgable and hateful people. Assume all you want what a womans effect in combat will be, but no this that none of you would be here on this Earth if a woman had not brought you here. Why dont you all stay wherever you are and wait because all these "what ifs" will be shut up and shut down and be replaced with "FACT" once a womans role in combat is known to the world.
As for the retired MSgt above and all others like him, grow up. No one chooses to be Gay or a Lesbian (or even to be called that) those who are strong enough to be happy with whomever they fall in love with deserve it. No human should be kicked out an organization they love because of who they love just because people like you think they are wrong. You are not God your opinion does not matter. Live your life and let others live theirs.
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Rationalist
135 days ago
Quite possibly the most ignorant and offensive move by those responsible. Disgusted.
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I am ashamed to read the comments of some of my colleagues here on this board. I typically don't comment on comments sections of news articles, as it is generally a way for fringe "whacks" to espouse their rhetoric and feel important. This is no different, except that 1) We are Marines, we follow orders. We are disciplined and professional, 2) This is our Commandant that people are insulting. This is the Marine chosen to lead all Marines, and should be show the respect as commander of the greatest fighting force on earth, 3) Denigrating our President, the Commander-in-Chief is disrespectful as well. If Marines, retired or active, have a gripe, do it amongst yourselves, not in a public forum. Otherwise, you are merely acting like a spoiled athlete. The standards have not changed, as stated by our leader. Follow your orders, act with ethics and professionalism, and treat every person that wears that Eagle, Globe, and Anchor with the same level of respect...I am pretty sure the title is earned, not given. For those still holding firm to your draconian and archaic views of what the Marine Corps is, I highly recommend you read The Marines of Montford Point...you will find what side of the line you fall on. Semper Fidelis, Marines.
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MSGT Keith Arceneaux USMC (Ret)
137 days ago
Repealing Dont Ask Dont Tell was one of the biggest mistakes effecting the military of the Obama Adminitration and now women in combat is the second. All these actions were politically motivated moves. However, the last straw for me was what he said about gays and lesbian. No other sitting president has done such a disservice to this country. Sorry Mr. President I did not vote for you this time around.
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John Plummer GySgt USMC Ret.
138 days ago
Repealing DADT and now lifting the ban on women in combat????? We need to do what's best for the defense of this country, not what benefits the politicians. How does this administration envision our military to be in 5, 10 or 50 years? Do they want to keep and maintain an efficient combat ready force, or do they just want a politically correct grouping of people? "It's simply the right thing to do", is not the correct answer, this only means the Commander in Chief on down did not have the intestinal fortitude to simply say it's not the right thing to do. Semper Fidelis, but to what, is the question.
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FMF Doc
138 days ago
As a FMF infantry Corpsman I am left to wonder if they have even thought of the impact this will have from a medical stand point. I can already see the line wrapped around the BAS for the sick call commandos. Our Corpsmen will have to have specialized training to work on females or bring on female Corpsmen just for their female Marine counterparts.
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RM Kruse
139 days ago
Gen. Barrow's testimony before the SASC in 1991 explains in great detail why women should not serve in ground combat organizations. As Commandant, General Amos, since you have never participated in direct ground combat, why aren't you listening to your ground commanders? I was a Marine grunt for over 23 years and women, by and large, are not physiologically built to withstand the rigors of infantry life. In line with what you have done to damage the Corps since you became Commandant, I believe that you will force the lowering of standards in order to enable women to "appear" to be qualified. Have you forgotten what Semper Fidelis means? It means Always Faithful to the Corps, not to Obama and his social engineering. Our Corps is much too precious.
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0321/69 Retired
139 days ago
What Infantry unit accepts the minimum standard? Let’s face it, just passing the PFT is not enough. Even if females take the male PFT and just barely pass it, what would an Infantry Platoon look like full of females that "just pass the PFT?" What about the load that will need to be carried? Can they pick up a combat loaded Marine and carry them to safety? I'm sure there are some Wonder Women out there, but those would be a very small percentage. For those that say "but there are male Marines that can't hang either", I say to you that those numbers are statistically small (for men) rather than statistically large (for females). If females are allowed into the Infantry, the cost will be lives. If they are excluded, the cost will be hurt feelings. I would like to save lives and not worry about hurting feelings.
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SSgt Wade Wilson USMC
141 days ago
What makes the US military so overwhelmingly dominant by international standards? 3 things: Preponderance (sheer size of the force), Technology (most advanced tools of warfare), and force employment (the capability and effective employment of our individual service men and women).
How will admission of women into combat arms affect force quality? by direction of SECDEF every position that is currently closed to women will be reviewed and opened unless opening the position to women necessarily (1) diminishes national security or (2) organizational misbehavior cannot be remedied by any other means than gender exclusion.
By these metrics the arguments against inclusion of women based upon degraded social dynamics within units (fraternization, sexual tensions, expanded considerations in billeting or field operations) will have difficulty overcoming the SECDEF's criteria for accepting gender based exclusion.
Arguments against inclusion based upon the criteria of diminished national security however may hold if (1) gender-based standards for physical capability are applied to combat arms postions in order to facilitate their integration and (2) the lower standards necessarily diminish force quality within that particular field due to the nature of the position.
If gender based standards are not applied to positions within the combat arms and a universal standard for physical ability is observed then gender exclusion simply won't have a leg to stand on.
If gender based standards are applied to facilitate gender diversity in the combat arms positions currently excluded to women, then those fields that can best demonstrate a diminished level of force quality due to a fundamental dependency upon the physical ability of the individuals within that field will be best postioned to make an argument for gender based exclusion.
I would hypothesize that the spectrum for the strongest case for gender exclusion would begin with specialized forces (SF, Rangers, SEALS, RECON, MARSOC, PARARESCUE, etc.) and Infantry. This spectrum would likely end with the most mechanized combats arms fields (Tanks, artillery) having the weakest case for gender exclusion...That is not to say that these fields cannot make a case at all but rather that physical capability is further from the core group of compentencies that determine force quality in the latter fields relative to the former.
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Steve
142 days ago
Stewart, they don't care. It's the right thing to do.
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stewart
143 days ago
I have served in the Infantry for over 18 years. I think this is a bad move and should not happen. It changes the ball game from training to combat. For those that never served in the field with females causes issues with seperate sleeping quaters, heads, and sexual related issues in non-combat that slows tarining down. Durring the intial assault into Iraq I could not see my wife or two daughter being able to keep up with the challenges in ambush alley in 03 Let alone carrying the packs with rounds, mortor rounds, and AT4's. It will slow units down and get Marines hut/killed. yes, there are some good female my wife and daughters can out run 2/3 of the marine corp but put a pack on them and harsh conditions it's a different story. It will hurt the Infantry.
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Steve Clayton, Capt, USMC, Retired
143 days ago
When I see/hear the words "it's simply the right thing to do", I know someone is about to get screwed..because evidently it's simply the right thing to do.
If HQMC is serious about doing this without harming the capability or morale of the front line combat forces, there can be only one standard in a number of areas.
Only one PFT standard which is not dummied down from the current battle readiness standard.
Only one type of orders - involuntary. Male Marines do not get to choose their MOS's or assigned units unless lat moving...once successful in their initially assigned MOS. Or if they fail from that first school, then they go to the grunts.
Bottom line: unless the end result is a dummied down, physically unfit member of the best fighting squads in our nation's history, only one set of standards, as currently managed, assigned and scored, can apply.
Oh, and put real names on your comments so we can weed out the anti-military trolls. Stand for what you believe in.
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JOHN
143 days ago
As a combat Marine tank commander and a father of three lovely young ladies...and the father of a son who is a 24-year career Army Ranger (with seven combat deployments)...IMHO allowing women to enter into any combat units is the absolutely the stupidest and ill-advised thing that the US military can do. The only service to segregate women in training is the Marine Corps...because it works. General Amos is a rear-echelon non-combat pogue. He will lead the Marine Corps into the toilet...just like the idiot-in-chief is doing.
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Skeezer McGoo
144 days ago
To not atleast give women a chance is criminal. Women have been fighting (and doing it well) in Israeli military for a long time and what really (psysiologically) sets them apart from an American woman....nothing. Give them oppotunity, if they choose not to serve in that particular [combat] MOS, fine.....men aren't all infantry, artillery and tankers. If they can't make it, than just like their male counterpart, they don't make it.
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John Norris
144 days ago
Women should be required to sign up for selective service. Also, as a non combat MOS Marine I still must keep the exact same physical standards as an Infantryman. Because at any given time I may find myself performing an Infantrymans job based on the needs of the Marine Corps. This standard should apply to females now also. Anything less will degrade th combat effectiveness of the military. Also imagine being a woman basically trained Marine. Then transferring to infantry school and learning that you now must pass vastly higher male standards. Its a pretty hard strain on the human body. So even from Boot Camp these standards must be the same as men across the board.
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JH Cottrell
144 days ago
This is what happens when the Commandant hasn't served in a ground combat role... what works in the wing doesn't work on the ground.
I wich he stood his ground with Obama, but are the politics too much?
Do what is right for those on the ground, not what serves the highest political points and sounds the best on paper.
Men and women are not symmetrically equal, they are asymmetrically equal. Its about what is best for the unit and achieving the objective with the least loss of life. If individual rights cause more to be put in harms way, then we have to relinquish some of our rights... this is life of the military, not to do what you want but what is best for your Marines....
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SM Jacobson
144 days ago
Donna, try not to be more of a judgmental, litigious busy-body than you come across in this notice. (And trust me, busy-body is putting it nicely.) If every Marine is held to the same standard,as is the Corps' motto and what makes this service stand out from the others, there shouldn't be a problem. But there will be problems, because people--both men and women--make mistakes. No rational man or woman wants to go to combat. But if women want equal rights, they need to take equal risks. I agree wholeheartedly that whoever goes to combat needs to perform to USMC expectation. But until you're strapping on a pack and shoving your feet in boots, you really ought to sit back and shut up. Try supporting the Marines instead of taking them down a peg.
Sincerely, a former female Marine communications officer. And no, I never wanted to go to combat, but if ordered, I would proudly have served my country and my fellow Marines.
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Donna
144 days ago
Gen Amos - what a mistake. Heaven help you when a young Marine dies because he is helping one of these women who cannot uphold the standard. Shame on you. I will do everything in my power to help that family seek you out and bring a wrongful death and civil suits against you because sir it's not a matter of if but rather when it happens. They had better be held to exactly the same standards and that would include carrying the same load and endurance as male Marines because anything less would be criminal.